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Topgrading: Hire & Keep the Best Talent

April 27, 2022

Build­ing a team with­out Top­grad­ing is like build­ing the Gold­en Gate Bridge from a kid’s cray­on sketch rather than from clear and detailed draw­ings by an engi­neer and archi­tect. — Kevin Lawrence

If your com­pa­ny is going to con­tin­ue to grow and thrive, you’ve got to get the right peo­ple in the right seats — and keep the best talent.

You want to build stronger teams and have as close as pos­si­ble to 90% A‑Players – an excel­lent fit for your cul­ture and an A‑grade for their performance.

I believe that every­one can be a high­ly desir­able employ­ee some­where – but how do you know if they are right for your com­pa­ny? Are they a fit for their man­ag­er and their team?

Find­ing those answers is hard. You have to be high­ly skilled and use pre­cise tools to get them right. If you don’t, it will cost you – some­times up to a mil­lion for a high-lev­el exec­u­tive position.

A Proven System

So, let’s talk about the pow­er of Top­grad­ing™, which I first came across over 15 years ago, as I did the research for Scal­ing Up Rock­e­feller Habits 2.0.

Of the 50 CEOs I inter­viewed around the world, eight specif­i­cal­ly called out Top­grad­ing as the game chang­er for their busi­ness. Using it gave them dra­mat­i­cal­ly stronger teams and freed them up to do their job as a CEO.

With those strong rec­om­men­da­tions, I learned and mas­tered the tech­nol­o­gy, and it is still the best tool we have found to strength­en a lead­er­ship and exec­u­tive team. To the point that I am fanat­i­cal about the use of the Top­grad­ing sys­tem to build stronger teams for the com­pa­nies we work with.

It’s hard to argue with a sys­tem that gives you at least a 75% suc­cess rate when hir­ing new A‑Players or pro­mot­ing exist­ing team mem­bers. That’s sig­nif­i­cant when most com­pa­nies have a 25% to 30% suc­cess rate with new hires and inter­nal promotions.

The Ori­gin of Topgrading

Soon after Brad Smart cre­at­ed a new, for­mal method­ol­o­gy for hir­ing, devel­op­ing and man­ag­ing high per­form­ers, he was hired by Jack Welch, the new CEO of Gen­er­al Elec­tric (1980). Welch knew that his strat­e­gy of becom­ing #1 in every mar­ket in which they oper­at­ed could only be achieved if he hired great peo­ple. Using the Top­grad­ing method­ol­o­gy, more than 90% of can­di­dates hired and pro­mot­ed turned out to be A Play­ers,” and Smart’s sys­tem became an an embed­ded part of GE’s hir­ing prac­tices. Brad lat­er wrote the best-sell­ing book Top­grad­ing, How to Hire, Coach and Keep A‑Players.

Mis­takes are expensive

Hir­ing mis­takes can be very, very expen­sive in terms of stress for the team and the peo­ple who have to work with some­one who doesn’t fit the cul­ture or deliv­er on their account­abil­i­ties — and in pure cash for the cost of recruit­ment, train­ing and on-board­ing, and bad deci­sions or mistakes.

Suc­cess means discipline

Com­pared to the fast and loose hir­ing process many peo­ple use, Top­grad­ing may seem com­pli­cat­ed. It isn’t — it just takes discipline.

If you want to get close to 90% A‑Players, you have to con­sis­tent­ly pick the top 10% of avail­able can­di­dates, at the pay you offer, for the role – and you need to fol­low through, on a reg­u­lar basis, to coach, devel­op or change the roles of peo­ple who aren’t thriving.

We bring these dis­ci­plines to ensure all the key peo­ple on your team per­form at their best and instead of leav­ing feed­back and devel­op­ment to a per­for­mance review, once a year.

Here are the core dis­ci­plines that get results:

Tal­ent Reviews

Every quar­ter, a mini-eval­u­a­tion of the top tal­ent in your company.

Peo­ple talk about their peo­ple being their great­est asset but nev­er do a peo­ple review – if they do, it’s once a year and weak. This key activ­i­ty involves the CEO and exec­u­tive team to make sure the right things are hap­pen­ing with key people.

  • How can you help peo­ple to thrive more now?
  • If they are an A‑Player, how can you help them to sus­tain that lev­el of performance?
  • If they’re a B‑Player, how can they become an A?
  • How can you help some­one with poten­tial to get pro­mot­ed to their next role?
  • How do you devel­op their successor?
  • What’s the best way to help some­one who is not meet­ing the mark? Are they under­per­form­ing or not a great fit with the culture?
  • If you’ve done every­thing you can, is it the end of the road? How do you cre­ate a quick and grace­ful exit?

Expect this process to be chal­leng­ing when you do it the first time – when you real­ize, for exam­ple, you have 30% C‑Players who aren’t aligned with our val­ues or not pro­duc­tive in their role — because the next ques­tion is, What are you going to do about it?”

A man­ager’s job is either help peo­ple to grow and be effec­tive in their role, or to look for a dif­fer­ent role in which they can be effec­tive in or to move them out.

Score­cards

A very detailed job descrip­tion with clear out­comes or goals the role needs to achieve, through the lens of core val­ues, on 50 dif­fer­ent competencies.

Hire and pro­mote against this tan­gi­ble score­card, so that you and the can­di­date are very clear about what suc­cess looks like upfront, what they need to pro­duce, the required com­pe­ten­cies for an A‑Player, and how they need to fit the culture.

Deep Assess­ments

  • The screen­ing inter­view: 30 to 45 min­utes to get a sense of the can­di­dates and if they are enough of a fit.
  • The tan­dem exec­u­tive inter­view: a three-to-five-hour, in-depth break­down of their entire career, start­ing with high school. When you ask a few sim­ple ques­tions – when you dig deep to pro­duce data and repeat this for every job they’ve had – pat­terns emerge. The best indi­ca­tion of how a per­son will be in your role is how they per­formed in sim­i­lar roles, in the past.

A lead­er­ship can­di­date can be a per­sua­sive and spin a good sto­ry. Just because you like and con­nect with them, doesn’t mean they are good for the job. So, take a cou­ple of days to cool down and write a struc­tured report, based on the data uncov­ered in the Top­grad­ing Tan­dem inter­view and scored against the job score­card to verify.

  • Call past man­agers. Call three to five past man­agers — not the ref­er­ences they gave you who’ll say they’re amaz­ing. Ask very spe­cif­ic questions.

Decide by Data

Make your deci­sion based on data not feel­ings. You can have a gut instinct about some­one, but you’ve got to come back to specif­i­cal­ly say why some­thing does – or doesn’t – feel right.

  • Which com­pe­ten­cy or core val­ue are you con­cerned about?
  • How do you know that’s true and how do you ver­i­fy that?

Two Final Thoughts:

  • The CEO and exec­u­tives need to buy in and cham­pi­on it, to invest in the train­ing and work with experts until they become experts, or it won’t work. This a tal­ent enhance­ment sys­tem, not just a hir­ing methodology.
  • To get results, you need to make a com­mit­ment to build a cul­ture and a dis­ci­pline of hir­ing, devel­op­ing and pro­mot­ing tal­ent­ed peo­ple. If you’re not com­mit­ted to invest in Top­grad­ing and to move, over a cou­ple of years, to build a team of A‑Players, don’t do it.

The Chal­lenge

  • Does your cur­rent tal­ent-enhance­ment sys­tem help you to know the per­cent­age of A‑Players that you have?
  • Does it ensure that all the lead­ers in the com­pa­ny do some­thing to sup­port or devel­op every­one on their team, each quar­ter — for the sake of the indi­vid­ual and the ben­e­fit of the company?

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Lawrence & Co’s work focus­es on sus­tain­able and enhanced growth for you and your busi­ness. Our diverse and expe­ri­enced group of advi­sors can help your lead­ers and exec­u­tive teams stay com­pet­i­tive through the use of var­i­ous learn­ing tools includ­ing work­shops, webi­na­rs, exec­u­tive retreats, or one-to-one coaching.

We help high-achiev­ing lead­ers to have it all – a great busi­ness and a reward­ing life. Con­tact us for sim­ple and impact­ful advice. No BS. No fluff.


Lawrence & Co’s work focuses on sustainable and enhanced growth for you and your business. Our diverse and experienced group of advisors can help your leaders and executive teams stay competitive through the use of various learning tools including workshops, webinars, executive retreats, or one-to-one coaching.

We help high-achieving leaders to have it all – a great business and a rewarding life. Contact us for simple and impactful advice. No BS. No fluff.