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Why Your Company Isn’t Growing—and the Interview Every Leader Should Watch

November 24, 2025

Most com­pa­nies don’t stall because they’re lazy.
They stall because they’re work­ing incred­i­bly hard… on the wrong things.

That’s exact­ly what Mar­ty Yaskowich and I dug into in a recent con­ver­sa­tion about my new book, The 4 Forces of Growth — and why so many well-run” com­pa­nies qui­et­ly stop growing.

This blog isn’t a sum­ma­ry of the inter­view. It’s an invi­ta­tion to go watch or lis­ten to it — espe­cial­ly if you’re a CEO or senior leader who feels:

  • Busy, but not tru­ly growing
  • Prof­itable, but flatlined
  • Sur­round­ed by smart peo­ple… who are stuck in the weeds

Because that’s who this con­ver­sa­tion is for.

What We Get Into (In Plain Language)

In the inter­view, Mar­ty and I walk through some of the big themes behind The 4 Forces of Growth, includ­ing:

  • Why so many strate­gic plans don’t change a thing
     Smart teams build detailed plans… then noth­ing mean­ing­ful hap­pens. We talk about why.
  • The real dif­fer­ence between growth and improve­ment
     And why you absolute­ly can­not improve your way to seri­ous growth — no mat­ter how good it feels.
  • How your cal­en­dar qui­et­ly tells the truth
     A sim­ple way to see whether you’re actu­al­ly lead­ing growth, or just play­ing Chief Prob­lem Solver.”
  • Where com­pa­nies usu­al­ly stall out
     The ear­ly warn­ing signs that your growth engine is starv­ing while your improve­ment engine is overfed.
  • The grav­i­ty of suc­cess
     Why larg­er, more suc­cess­ful com­pa­nies nat­u­ral­ly become more con­ser­v­a­tive — and how to fight that.

It’s prac­ti­cal, no-non­sense, and root­ed in real com­pa­nies we work with every quarter.

One Ques­tion to Take Into the Interview

When you watch or lis­ten, keep this ques­tion in the back of your mind:

Am I spend­ing more courage on prob­lems… or on opportunities?

Because that’s the core of the 4 Forces.
Courage + prob­lems = improve­ment.
Courage + oppor­tu­ni­ties = growth.

Most lead­ers don’t have a courage prob­lem. They have a direc­tion-of-courage problem.

You can watch the full inter­view with Mar­ty below, or skip through to any of the iden­ti­fied clips.

And if you want to go deep­er afterward:

If you’ve been feel­ing that uncom­fort­able gap between your ambi­tion and your actu­al growth, take 25 – 30 min­utes and watch the interview.

It might be the nudge you need to stop over-fix­ing… and start grow­ing again.


About Lawrence & Co.
Lawrence & Co. is a growth strategy and leadership advisory firm that helps mid-market companies achieve lasting, reliable growth. Our Growth Management System turns 30 years of experience into practical steps that drive clarity, alignment, and performance—so leaders can grow faster, with less friction, and greater confidence.

About Kevin Lawrence
Kevin Lawrence has spent three decades helping companies scale from tens of millions to hundreds of millions in revenue. He works side-by-side with CEOs and leadership teams across North America, the Middle East, Asia, Australia, and Europe, bringing real-world insights from hands-on experience. Kevin is the author of Your Oxygen Mask First, a book of 17 habits to help high-performing leaders grow sustainably while protecting their mental health and resilience. He also contributed to Scaling Up (Rockefeller Habits 2.0). Based in Vancouver, he leads Lawrence & Co, a boutique firm of growth advisors.