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Growth CEO Interviews
Why Your Company Isn’t Growing—and the Interview Every Leader Should Watch
November 24, 2025
Most companies don’t stall because they’re lazy.
They stall because they’re working incredibly hard… on the wrong things.
That’s exactly what Marty Yaskowich and I dug into in a recent conversation about my new book, The 4 Forces of Growth — and why so many “well-run” companies quietly stop growing.
This blog isn’t a summary of the interview. It’s an invitation to go watch or listen to it — especially if you’re a CEO or senior leader who feels:
- Busy, but not truly growing
- Profitable, but flatlined
- Surrounded by smart people… who are stuck in the weeds
Because that’s who this conversation is for.
What We Get Into (In Plain Language)
In the interview, Marty and I walk through some of the big themes behind The 4 Forces of Growth, including:
- Why so many strategic plans don’t change a thing
Smart teams build detailed plans… then nothing meaningful happens. We talk about why. - The real difference between growth and improvement
And why you absolutely cannot improve your way to serious growth — no matter how good it feels. - How your calendar quietly tells the truth
A simple way to see whether you’re actually leading growth, or just playing “Chief Problem Solver.” - Where companies usually stall out
The early warning signs that your growth engine is starving while your improvement engine is overfed. - The gravity of success
Why larger, more successful companies naturally become more conservative — and how to fight that.
It’s practical, no-nonsense, and rooted in real companies we work with every quarter.
One Question to Take Into the Interview
When you watch or listen, keep this question in the back of your mind:
Am I spending more courage on problems… or on opportunities?
Because that’s the core of the 4 Forces.
Courage + problems = improvement.
Courage + opportunities = growth.
Most leaders don’t have a courage problem. They have a direction-of-courage problem.
You can watch the full interview with Marty below, or skip through to any of the identified clips.
And if you want to go deeper afterward:
- The 4 Forces of Growth is available now on Amazon in your local region
- The 4 Forces of Growth Self Assessment
- The 4 Forces of Growth: Why I Wrote This Book
- The 4 Forces of Growth: Learning to Predictably Scale Your Business
If you’ve been feeling that uncomfortable gap between your ambition and your actual growth, take 25 – 30 minutes and watch the interview.
It might be the nudge you need to stop over-fixing… and start growing again.
About Lawrence & Co.
Lawrence & Co. is a growth strategy and leadership advisory firm that helps mid-market companies achieve lasting, reliable growth. Our Growth Management System turns 30 years of experience into practical steps that drive clarity, alignment, and performance—so leaders can grow faster, with less friction, and greater confidence.
About Kevin Lawrence
Kevin Lawrence has spent three decades helping companies scale from tens of millions to hundreds of millions in revenue. He works side-by-side with CEOs and leadership teams across North America, the Middle East, Asia, Australia, and Europe, bringing real-world insights from hands-on experience. Kevin is the author of Your Oxygen Mask First, a book of 17 habits to help high-performing leaders grow sustainably while protecting their mental health and resilience. He also contributed to Scaling Up (Rockefeller Habits 2.0). Based in Vancouver, he leads Lawrence & Co, a boutique firm of growth advisors.